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→ Timestamps:
00:26 – An overview of the two parts of Job: the frame and the poem.
07:35 – In the frame, Job is described as a just and perfect man whose property and children are destroyed, yet he praises and blesses the Lord. In the end, he receives back more than he lost.
16:58 – The poem describes Job’s complaints. He even curses being born.
22:55 – Three friends come to “comfort” Job. How to properly engage with someone who is suffering. Rigid orthodoxies and a lack of true empathy can destroy relationships.
35:10 – Our capacity for joy is connected to pain.
40:38 – When we can’t see the purpose of pain, we can still trust in God’s wisdom. It is not possible for mortals to entirely understand his plan. After Job’s revelatory experience with God, his perspective changes.
46:58 – The ideology of the Deuteronomist is challenged in the poem. Why do bad things happen to good people? Why do good things happen to bad people? The answers may not come in this life, but pain will ultimately be resolved in “the third act.”
53:39 – Jesus, our Redeemer, will overcome all the injustices of mortality.
1:00:45 – Another way to see Job 19.25. The redeemer in this alternate reading is Job’s defender who will one day come and vindicate him, and will defend his statements regarding the injustice of God.
1:03:48 – A hymn to wisdom and then Job’s final speech. The Lord speaks to Job about his mighty works. God’s creative power and wisdom far exceed the Behemoth and the Leviathan.
1:09:43 – The book of Job can also be read as a temple text, a journey that returns Job back into God’s presence.
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This is one of the most powerful lessons you both have given!! It truly spoke to me on so many levels and I have such a greater depth of understanding for Job and his story. Viewing the story as a Temple text is also so mind opening. But the idea of Job’s friends sitting with him 7 days and nights..holding his story. .That is something!
My husband took his life 16 years ago. I was RS President. There were so many good intentioned people trying their best to comfort but unfortunately, their comments were more hurtful at the time. Two of my friends just “sat” with me. They truly knew how to “mourn” with me. I am forever grateful for them.
Over the years, I have experienced such “beauty for ashes” that I can truly say I am grateful this trail of being a “young” widow. Amount so many truths I have learned, It taught me how to “hold” someone’s story–instead of being judgmental or trying to “fix” them and to stop asking “why” but “what” can I learn–because the learning never stops. Most of all I have learned that In the depth of despair–when my universe feels emptied out–there is God–my Redeemer.
I have had a delicate situation with a dear family member who has just gone through a terribly painful divorce after more than 40 years of marriage. I didn’t know what to say and felt like all I needed to do was be with this person and “mourn with those that mourn” (Mosiah 18:9). Your podcast, to which I listened to today (while taking an early morning bike ride) regarding the associates, friends and family of Job who did NOT follow this counsel was spot on and a reaffirmation to me of how true scripture study, not just superficial reading the sacred writ, can help us see what God wants us to see AND do! Many thanks…