The slides for this podcast are in pdf format here.
The podcast outline with notes is here.
To read The Hymn of the Pearl, go here.
2021-12-29
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The slides for this podcast are in pdf format here.
The podcast outline with notes is here.
To read The Hymn of the Pearl, go here.
Comments are closed.
Missed one point: if there were curses provided for Adam and Eve if they disobeyed, that intrinsically connotes there were blessings provided if they obeyed God.
Had they waited and asked God if they needed to eat the fruit, God would have said yes, given it to them and given them the blessings (which logically should have been the opposite of the cursing).
This is what happened on all the other planets and is what Satan was referencing. Ours was the first planet that fell, and obeyed Satan. Hence we became the most wicked and that is why the atonement had to happen on our world yet applied to all the others.
The mind blowing question is what if non of the different Adam and Eves on all the worlds fell?
That might explain Christ’s question in the garden of Gethsemane if he really had to do it.
Right?
Axel,
I do not know. I cannot really say anything on this one way or another. But thinking about things and looking into possibilities is always fun!
As to Jesus’ question in the Garden, my interpretation of Luke 22.42 when Jesus says Πάτερ εἰ βούλει παρενεγκεῖν τὸ ποτήριον τοῦτο ἀπ᾽ ἐμοῦ, Jesus is saying, “if you wish” εἰ βούλει, remove this cup from me” – or as others render it, “if you are willing to do this thing…” Meaning that Jesus in that moment was demonstrating what scholars sometimes call a low or lower Christology. Meaning that Luke is showing the human side of Jesus. He is expressing the potential thought that in this moment he is not all knowing (as opposed to John’s high Christology, where Jesus is all knowing).
I don’t know what to do with this other than to read it in its context and see Jesus in this point and time as a real man, suffering, asking his Father if he would be willing to take it away. D&C 19 opens the window to the horrible nature of the pain. It is incomprehensible to me and I can only stand in awe of what it must have been like. Thanks for listening to the podcast!
Thank you Mike and Bryce for your Podcasts, I learn so much each week. Here are a couple of interesting verses from Nehemiah 9:36 where the children of Israel were rehearsing their history and near the end of the chapter, they describe the principle of converting property for gain. v.36. Behold, we are servants this day, and for the land that thou gavest unto our fathers to eat the fruit thereof and the good thereof, behold, we are servants in it:
37 And it yieldeth much increase unto the kings whom thou hast set over us because of our sins: also they have dominion over our bodies, and over our cattle, at their pleasure, and we are in great distress.
So there were also conspiring men in the early days as well. ?
Your comment about Master Mahan and how Satans secret is “how to create life into your property” really clicked for me. I’ve studied Babylon and the secret combinations that exist in our government and Hollywood. The underlying theme I have found is just that. They have been given the secret of Satan. Human trafficking, controlling the masses with hidden poisons in food/medical treatments, controlling the public through social media and Hollywood idolatry. It all boils down to making human life their property to exchange and give power… Thank you for the time you spend for this podcast. I look forward to it every week studying with you guys.
Thanks for listening Holly! We are so glad that these things are resonating with people. Bryce and I really love the Old Testament and so hopefully the things taught this year will be valuable! Have a great week!
-Mike
My great grandmother, who was a tiny, little thing with a big personality–smoked a corncob pipe–, and she used to say, “The difference between being naked and necked is that being naked is having no clothes on. Being necked is having no clothes on an up to no good.” This is what I thought about during this part of the podcast: “In Genesis 2.25, Adam and Eve are both וםֹרָּׂעʿārôm as compared with the serpent, who is וםּרָּׂע
ʿārûm. The difference is subtle (no pun intended, just a slight vowel shift), but the author is certainly punning with
the use of words”
Now this story I gotta use someday!
haha. Indeed. I paused the podcast and called up my sister who teaches release time in Draper who also listens, and we laughed pretty hard. If you use it, you can give a shout out to Helen Gee, the corncob owner.
Mike,
I enjoyed your comment about looking at the Garden of Eden story less literally, which allows us to more easily apply this to ourselves. My wife and I had already been doing a similar thing with the creation narrative, agreeing with you and others seeing it almost exclusively as a liturgical text, not a history.
That’s had us wondering if you believe the Garden of Eden is also not historical and that while Adam and Eve had similar decisions to get to earth as portrayed in genesis (and elsewhere), the writings we have are designed to be liturgical, which makes them more easily applicable to ourselves, not a depiction of what literally happened.
Love the podcast. Started about a year ago and have now listened to all of them you have done and some many times – especially 3 Nephi 12-14. Love spending more time in my week learning the gospel and your podcast is always a highlight. Thank Bryce too please. Fun listening to the first few podcasts where the audio isn’t as professional and you and Bryce can’t always decide who is going next. We really appreciate the lives you’ve lived to know so much and to take Elder Bednar’s challenge to spread more good so seriously that you volunteer so much time into this. My wife and I feel our family is better as a result.
Clark,
Thank you. I have forwarded your communication to Bryce. I remember when we made those first few podcasts on our phones… I have a friend who is a serious podcaster who came to me and said, “Mike, let me help you out. This audio quality is HORRIBLE!”
This friend has made it so that the audio is of a much higher quality. This is what friends do, they help us out! We are all friends along this journey called life, and we all pitch in where we can. Thanks for being so positive and for your kind words!
-Mike
I guess I’d been enjoying your podcast too much over the past year or so. I was called to teach gospel doctrine this year and will be teaching my first lesson tomorrow. Grateful for the time and effort you both put it. Its been really meaningful to my personal study and is now a foundational piece of my lesson preparation. Thank you!
Congratulations on the new calling Allen! Thanks for sharing your valuable time with us!
I thoroughly enjoy your podcasts (and by the way, I love nerding out with words, so thanks for indulging me in that). I appreciate so much that you put in the time and effort to do these. It has made my scripture study more relevant, my temple attendance more meaningful, and ultimately helped me see that “all things denote there is a God”. As I was listening to this weeks lesson, I couldn’t help but recall this image that I came across a few Christmas’s ago. I love how it makes everything come full circle with Eve and Mary and it always reminds me of the scripture of bruising his heel and crushing his head. https://matthewwarner.me/beautiful-art-the-virgin-mary-consoles-eve
That is a beautiful picture. Thanks for sharing! Also, thanks for sharing your time with us as we work through the text. I too am a total lover of geeking out on the words! It is awesome!
-Mike
I recently had a conversation with my adult son who is a great man chooses not to participate in church and struggles to believe.
He asked, Mom, can you say that the church and the gospel give you the rewards you are looking for, are you getting what you want and need from your beliefs? I thought seriously about that question and answered that I can honestly say, the Gospel of Jesus Christ and my participation in his church is the only area in my life in which I do no feel disappointment. I love studying the come follow me lessons each week, they fill me with such great perspective and satisfaction. Your podcast is my favorite part of that study each week, you two do a terrific job and I hope you know that you are blessing lives.
I have shared it with many of my friends and they are now regularly being blessed as well, it is also so fun to discuss with friends, family and coworkers the insights that we are learning and receiving.
Keep up this sacred work and God bless you both.
Thanks for your testimony and kind words Irene! I like to say that God isn’t finished with any of us yet. Our loved ones on divergent paths are not lost to God. May we be the light needed in the darkest of hours and in their time of need.
-Mike
Thank you for your time and all you put into this podcast! I listen to a little bit every day and often listen to each week’s podcast twice (there’s so much good stuff!). I am truly grateful this week for your points about the need to be enticed by opposition. I’ve felt for most of my life that there was something wrong with me or fundamentally bad because I find myself drawn to some things that do not invite the spirit. Your comments brought so much peace! Thank you!
My sister and I had an interesting conversation about Cain and Able and she pointed out that Cain “covered” his sin with plants and Able’s sacrifice had “skins”. And that this reflects on the events in the garden where Adam and Eve cover their sin with fig leaves and then the Lord preforms a sacrifice (Jesus) to cover their nakedness. The Cain and Able story is another example of the way that Lucifer tries to get around the need for a Savior.